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"Perhaps its time for attacks to end and conversations to begin" this aptly applies for CCP. Instead of demonising HHDL, labelling TYC as a Terrorist group, instilling hatred among the han and Tibetans, and instilling hatred among the chinese and the west. They better sit and talk in detail with HHDL.

Like it or not, the only power that can save chinese motherland from iminent split is neither its Missiles, nor its leaping economy and definitely not this olympics but only HHDL. he has the power of compassion that none of the CCP leaders posses in trace.

To kushh:
Your words:"Like it or not, the only power that can save chinese motherland from iminent split is neither its Missiles, nor its leaping economy and definitely not this olympics but only HHDL. he has the power of compassion that none of the CCP leaders posses in trace"
what makes you so stupid?
your mothers?your fathers?your husbands or wives? or the so call "HHDL"? what the hell your brain are thinking?

Chinese government is always and always want to talk with the dalai... ..always...pl be failthful to the truth...

kushh said: "Perhaps its time for attacks to end and conversations to begin" this aptly applies for CCP. Instead of demonising HHDL, labelling TYC as a Terrorist group, instilling hatred among the han and Tibetans, and instilling hatred among the chinese and the west. They better sit and talk in detail with HHDL.

Like it or not, the only power that can save chinese motherland from iminent split is neither its Missiles, nor its leaping economy and definitely not this olympics but only HHDL. he has the power of compassion that none of the CCP leaders posses in trace.
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Yanceder.

Words like love, peace, compassion, tolerence etc sound very stupid to you? and who believes in them foolish?
You have such a strong hatred that it has been pounding on my LCD screen.

But I don't see any reason why I should hate you for that. I just sympathise with you that you are too stanger to words like truth, love, peace and compassion. One you embrace them you will know the true meaning of life. until then add above words in your dictionery.

By the way I don't subscribe to your idea that people who propagade voilence, lie and deciet are wise and smart lots. I am sorry brother.

Truth only Triumphs. Free Tibet

jessy021jiang said: Chinese government is always and always want to talk with the dalai... ..always...pl be failthful to the truth...

I would just hope that this time CCP remains atleast faithful to their own words.Which has been otherwise on many occasion(every occassion)

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kushh, your 'Love, peace, compassion, tolerance' are nothing more than some flamboyant phrases. And they are so cheap than you even entitled them on Dalai Lama.

Dalai Lama was the former governor of a theocracy Tibet. He wants to revive his sovereignty, and to turn millions of Tibetan people back to serfs like 50 years before. For this sake he even incites conflicts between Tibetan people and every other ethnic in China. You call that Love? You call that peace? You call such a hypocrite 'His Holiness'?

'Love, peace, compassion, tolerance' do not sounds stupid. But your use of these words is tooooooo stupid.

TYC formally called on suicide bombing attack on Chinese people, especially during Olympic Games. You still believe TYC is not a terrorist group? Your value sounds so funny. Don't you think Osama bin Laden and his followers a terrorist group?

It is sad that you don't know HHDL. More sad that you don't want to know him.

You are blinded by your hatred for something or someone that you don't have any idea of it and unfortunately it has dragged you into a delusional state of mind my dear. You are also paranoid and you might be experiencing visual and auditory hallucinations.

But don't worry things will calm down once you get to kow about or atleast come in frequent contact with usage of "Love, peace, compassion, tolerance "beyond their flamboyant nature.

You are a wise and smart guy, I am a stupid..we Tibetans are all stupid welcoming you Chinese with love. compassion and tolerance in 1949 as guest only to be known later that we have invited our misery.

About TYC, you can refer to other topic, I have explained there.

I don't want to say so, but I have to.

Time and time, you said I am blinded by hatred, or I am brainwashed, or I am paranoid, but have you consider the possibility that you are brainwashed by Dalai / TYC's doctrine?
I never say CCP is good. And in fact I take critical attitude to any authorities. But you seems simply believe what ever Dalai Lama said, and aid 'His Holiness' before his name without consideration.

Who is likely to be blind? Answer me, Kush.

First, I said your usage of some words is stupid. I am not to say you are. If I do not make myself clearly, I appologize for that.

Second, I only talked about your words, never got so far to 'all Tibetans'

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You are a wise and smart guy, I am a stupid..we Tibetans are all stupid
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Is that your separatists' nature to incite conflict between two group?
Now I tell you
DO NOT MAKE SUCH AGITATION AGAIN.

You can not stand for all Tibetans.

I heard something from a schoolmate who had been in Dharamsala. She said Dharamsala is really a poor town. I guest these refugees really live in misery. The living stantard in Dharamsala is much worse than that in Lhasa.

It's true that Dalai and his followers have invited their misery after 1959.

But seems that separatists can not face the reality. They keeps on make agitation between normal Tibetans (living in Tibet) and Hans.

Dalai led a failed uprising in Tibet in 1959, and then fled to India. Many Tibetans who blindly believe what ever Dalai said followed him. That's the beginning of misery of Tibetan refugees.

In the lasting six decades, you live in poor conditions, foster your hatred to Hans under separatism doctrine, and be blind to any pro-China information...

When and how do you want to end this?

"evanstle said: You can not stand for all Tibetans".

Likewise I believe that you too are not representative of 1.5billion chinese.


"I heard something from a schoolmate who had been in Dharamsala. She said Dharamsala is really a poor town. I guest these refugees really live in misery. The living stantard in Dharamsala is much worse than that in Lhasa".

I don't know how comfortable do Tibetans live there in Lhasa, but it is clearly apparent from many facts that they don't seem to be happy, rather they seem to be living under constant fear, the aftermath of which is March 14 protest..

As for us, Dharamsala is definitely not our home. It doesn't matter how do we live here. For us the main purpose is not just to pursue comfort and wealth, but to help free our people who are suppressed, discriminated, disenfranchised by the ruling CCP government.

As far as your schoolmate is concerned, I know that CCP programs everybody what to talk and what not to. But in heart of her heart she must have found peace and known the true HHDL and Tibetans staying there for sometime. Don't expect her to tell you the trutth ...nobody is going to risk his/her life.

"In the lasting six decades, you live in poor conditions, foster your hatred to Hans under separatism doctrine, and be blind to any pro-China information"...

Good condition, bad condition ...all these are relative things. good for you could be bad for me and vice versa. And there is no doctrine like seperatism like you have for communism. I wonder why you are talking about separatism etc...Tibetans and Chinese were never one...and this is evident from our way of looking at our lives...you live, work and fight for comfort, money, name,power and sex.. whereas we live, work, and endeavor for peace, love, compassion, altruism and inner development.

"When and how do you want to end this?"

THis is a tricky question and depends much on the respect to the truth shown by CCP. If they meet and Talk to HHDL for mutual benefit then it wouldn't take much time. If CCP follows its inherent path of disregarding truth and glorifying lie, then wait will so long as the time it will take for china to a bloody and disgraceful split.
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evanstle said: I don't want to say so, but I have to.

"Time and time, you said I am blinded by hatred, or I am brainwashed, or I am paranoid, but have you consider the possibility that you are brainwashed by Dalai / TYC's doctrine?"
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I have a brain of my own and my concience guides me. I don't need be indoctrinated as I can differentiate what is right and what is wrong. The respect for HHDL is spontaneous, it is not somehting I give involuntarily.

" But you seems simply believe what ever Dalai Lama said, and aid 'His Holiness' before his name without consideration."

The fact is that HHDL doesn't say much. He is only dutibound of his spiritual responsibilties. He says when he needs to and when he is asked to. When he says he says keeping mind the multi-dimensional aspects of words and actions that would make impact. He talks about universal responsibilty, peace, co-existance and compromise...do these words sound worst than the ones CCP always like to use like HH wolf, jackal, Terrorist, Binladen, liar, cheat etc...
I didn't confer His Holiness to The Dalai Lama...HHDL himself earned this because of his outsatnding wisdom, patience, tolerance,love and compassion that he shower to all the six realms of life..even to the people who failed him, cheated him and abused him....he still looks at you all with love even though your CCP army has gun shot every picture HHDL that were found in the monatries recently.(don't trust me, go to phayul.com)


"Who is likely to be blind? Answer me"
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Finally my dear you are blinded. But Iam not hopeless about you, because love, compassion, empathy etc couldn't reach you because of the superficial barrier of modern comfort(if there is any) created for you by your CCP and more importantly their brainwashibng and indoctrination which seems to be exchangeable thieseday..thats the reason why you and your likes don't even know that your CCP government is communist or democratic..socialist or capitalist.. ..

WHY NOT KEEP ATTACKING????
DALAI'S PEOPLE IS STILL ATTACKING TORCH AND SEPARATED THE COUNTRY.

IF YOU TAKE OUR PEACEFUL PROTEST FOR ATTACK, WE CAN'T HELP MUCH.

BUT WHAT WOULD YOU CALL YOUR PROTESTORS MANHANDLING TIBETANS, KOREANS, JAPANESE ETC ,ETC

THIS IS WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT. AND WE ARE DIFDFERENT!

ONE CHINA, ONE TIBET.

Kushh,
There are enough evidence (pictures, videos) about your 'peaceful protest'. The 'peaceful protesters' were shouting on the street, setting fire on anything that could belongs to Hans, and of course, beating and killing innocent people.
There is a collection of such videos in the following webside:
http://www.anti-cnn.com
(look down in that page, and you can find enough links of videos)
If you do not like the narrations and instructions in these videos, just skip them, you can find the facts by following fact in these videos.
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Kushh, stop lying about PEACEFUL PROTEST. OK?
When evidence available in front of you, DO NOT LIE ANY MORE!

kushh said: IF YOU TAKE OUR PEACEFUL PROTEST FOR ATTACK, WE CAN'T HELP MUCH.

BUT WHAT WOULD YOU CALL YOUR PROTESTORS MANHANDLING TIBETANS, KOREANS, JAPANESE ETC ,ETC

THIS IS WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT. AND WE ARE DIFDFERENT!

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ONE CHINA, ONE TIBET.
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OH, that's funny!
your peaceful protest? OMG, are you idiot?

The whole world see who is attacking torch. so is it peaceful protest? u just like MOB�

and don't u know people in Japan or Korea who protest are all hired???
THEY ARE PAID FOR MONEY!!!

UNLIKE U A SLAVE OF DALAI WHO NEVER GET PAID! SORRY FOR U!

ONE WORLD, ONE CHINA!

TIBET WAS, IS, AND WILL ALWAYS BE A PART OF CHINA!

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OH, that's funny!
your peaceful protest? OMG, are you idiot?
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Mind you language! you are not the only wise left in this world. I control using abusive words..because it hardly helps. On the contrary it will make you more angry! As fa as possible I will try not spoiling your mood on the net.
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"The whole world see who is attacking torch. so is it peaceful protest? u just like MOBï¼?"

Attacking the torch. Do you see anything violent in this. and what about beating people..do you call that peaceful? keep cool and then say
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"and don't u know people in Japan or Korea who protest are all hired???
THEY ARE PAID FOR MONEY!!! "
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Evanstle knows Tibetan are poor...where do we get such big money to hire protestors. By the way..CCP has paid USD350/- each to overseas chinese to protest in San Fr, Canberra, Nz etc to mention a few..
Don't blame everything the CCP does to us.
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"UNLIKE U A SLAVE OF DALAI WHO NEVER GET PAID! SORRY FOR U!"
You are too violent. It is not good for your health...that too getting angry with an anonymous poster like on the net.. keep cool
ONE WORLD, ONE CHINA!

TIBET WAS, IS, AND WILL ALWAYS BE A PART OF CHINA!
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Tibet was Free- that is what history says..we can't make or remake history, Tibet is under chinese Occupation- this is what present situation is, Tibet will be better off with free and humane china- this is what we look for our future.

"There is a collection of such videos in the following webside:
http://www.anti-cnn.com
(look down in that page, and you can find enough links of videos)
If you do not like the narrations and instructions in these videos, just skip them, you can find the facts by following fact in these videos."


Oh evanstle, please please do venture beyond CCTV, Chinadaily, and anti-cnn.com...these are all CCP propagandas... i have seen all these manupulative footages....

these youtube videas, threads and links are all manipulated..flood you with such videos..will you believe me...we better discuss logically...and try to understand each other at some point.

kushh,

1. Are u a tibetan?
2.u say " Attacking the torch. Do you see anything violent in this. and what about beating people..do you call that peaceful? keep cool and then say"

yes, there are some violence. but protesters violence first. attacking the torch is the VIOLENCE. killing innocent people in Lasa is violent. Burry the cars, stores are violence. evidence are every where. why not google for some videos?

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3. u say "Evanstle knows Tibetan are poor...where do we get such big money to hire protestors. By the way..CCP has paid USD350/- each to overseas chinese to protest in San Fr, Canberra, Nz etc to mention a few..
Don't blame everything the CCP does to us.."

Tibetan are poor? or you just want to say Dalai is poor?
tell u what, Do u use some thing made by LV? LV is the biggest supporter of Dalai. They never lack of money. and on the contrary, protester's number is much less than supporters.

CCP has paid USD350????? WHERE DID U GET THAT? U ARE MAKING NUMBERS AGAIN. evidence?????????any?????show!

4. Of course, Tibet is under "Chinese occupation". because tibet is a part of china. like Shanghai, Hong kong, BEijing....etc....

and, free tibet is like a dream which will never become true. all your effort will not work. without china, the inland "country---tibet" might become the most poor place in the world. u know Mongolia???cause they are inland, surrounded by many countries, they are living hashly. they even want to go back to China. If Tibet will really be free, no advantage at all!

Kushh,
www.anti-cnn was created by a 23 graduated students from TsingHua university. It's not relative with CCP or government.
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Well, you may not believe their words.
But you have to believe videos and photos! Videos can not be artificialed in such a large scale.
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Do not simply use 'brainwash' to make yourself close your eyes!
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If you really disbelieve these proofs, give us yours. (Such as 'Chinsese soldiers firing on Tibetans' in this March.)
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Again I remind all guys, Nepal policemen (or someelse) are easy to distinguished from Chinese.

Kushh,
tell you a true story happened in London (many Chinese students witnessed it).
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When Chinese students in London gathered to support the torch relay, they encounted a group of pro-separatists (some of them were whites). Both of the 2 groups seemed unprepared for such situation.
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Then suddenly, one of white pro-separatists shouted out 'FREE JAPAN'. And both of the 2 groups were astonished by this.
Later, one (seems Tibetan) told that white something in whisper. Then the white started to shout 'FREE TIBET'.
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Do not say that's 'propaganda of CCP'. CCP/CCTV/People's Daily, and in fact all formal medias did not even mention this.
This is told by one of our schoolmate who went to England for further education.

Sorry, I made mistake in typing.
www.anti-cnn.com was created by a 23 years old girl Yao Jin, who graduated from Dept. of Engineering and Physics of Tsinghua University.

evanstle said: Sorry, I made mistake in typing.
www.anti-cnn.com was created by a 23 years old girl Yao Jin, who graduated from Dept. of Engineering and Physics of Tsinghua University.
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And Financed and directed by CCP

evanstle said: Kushh,
tell you a true story happened in London (many Chinese students witnessed it).
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Did your friends told you or you just happened to see it on the net? It was on the net!!! Likewise, I too have plenty of such anecdotes where chinese students got confused which crowd to join...pro or against!!! But this doesn't charm me much.

But whatever, personally, I am neither against relay of the torch, nor against the Olympics in china. I believe that this protest is just to remind the CCP about the forgotten issue. CCP has ignored or delibrately delayed the talk for now nealy 30years. Just wish that porper dialogue be held to sort out the Issue of Tibet.

Tibetans are not asking for anything physical...like some poster were quite confused about why this protest...CCP built road, Aerodom, railraod...etc etc...they imply that without china Tibet wil be finished...
Tibetans are Talking about right to beleif, faith and worship, right to speech, right to essemble....and right to be just Tibetan...no matter be it in Chinese rule!!

jeffreymeng said: kushh,

I won't ignore you inspite of your provocative and agressive posts...
1. Are u a tibetan?

Yes I am a Tibetan...and according to you a slave to HHDL!

2 "yes, there are some violence. but protesters violence first. attacking the torch is the VIOLENCE. killing innocent people in Lasa is violent. Burry the cars, stores are violence. evidence are every where. why not google for some videos?"
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Who instigated the violence? . I can't accept that the killings, looting and arsons were done by Tibetans alone.. the PLA and PAP in Tibetan disguise did most of the thing...you won't believe it but it is a naked truth... I just don't sit here in my home and compose stories..inspite of the fact that CCP has closed all links to Tibet, TCHRD manages to get some how news from tourist and etc. all these information are on the net... If you really want to go beyond matter's physicallity, have courage to read and browse Tibetan websites..like phayul.cm,

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3. Tibetan are poor? or you just want to say Dalai is poor?
tell u what, Do u use some thing made by LV? LV is the biggest supporter of Dalai. They never lack of money. and on the contrary, protester's number is much less than supporters.
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Do you mean Las vegas: whatever, it is not true...your anger doesn't let your conscience judge...didn't you see how few pro-Tibet protestors were throughout...and getting bashed at the hand thousands of angry chinese crowd!!!!!!!! be realistic.

"CCP has paid USD350????? WHERE DID U GET THAT? U ARE MAKING NUMBERS AGAIN. evidence?????????any?????show!"
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They have video footage to support that....browse BBC..don't only stick to anti-cnn.com....
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"4. Of course, Tibet is under "Chinese occupation". because tibet is a part of china. like Shanghai, Hong kong, BEijing....etc."...

HIstory says otherwise....but you can't compare Tibet with Beijing and Sganghai
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and, free tibet is like a dream which will never become true. all your effort will not work. without china, the inland "country---tibet" might become the most poor place in the world. u know Mongolia???cause they are inland, surrounded by many countries, they are living hashly. they even want to go back to China. If Tibet will really be free, no advantage at all!
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Likewise..your notion that CCP in invincible too is a colored dream...because eveything is unpredictable. Rise is followed by fall..
By the way Tibet survived throughout the civilization without chinese help.

Kushh, you said
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Tibetans are not asking for anything physical...like some poster were quite confused about why this protest...CCP built road, Aerodom, railraod...etc etc...they imply that without china Tibet wil be finished...
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I do not believe supernatural power. And I never see that without body spirits can still do something.
You only mind about spirit? Not anything physical?
Well, maybe that's true for you.
But how can you decide all Tibetans, or most of Tibetans, are like that?
After all you are out of Tibet now. And in fact I doubt you never got into Tibet after your childhood.

These are not what I alone say. HHDL has been advocating for this and brought out simple proposal that would keep china and Tibet both happy way back in 1989...Everytime CCP delibrately delayed and ignored stating different conditions, insulting, abusing and accusing HHDL!!!!!

Whether you like it or not, CCP can't ignore HHDL. They will fail in their effort to change Tibetans( in and outside Tibet) mind about HHDL with force or with fantasy. And I too think that only with HHDL's involvement can CCP wash off with the headache of Tibet issue and other minorities...

Once HHDL dies, I don't now...CCP's and your false allegation about TYC being a terrorist organization more dreadful than Bin Laden- al-qieda will come true. or CCP will force TYC to take to armed stuggles...not only TYC ..we can't predict how many violent groups will emerge as a result..and not only from Tibet..but also from Inner Mongolia, East Turkisthan, Kazakisthan, Uzbekisthan.... etc...

kushh said: These are not what I alone say. HHDL has been advocating for this and brought out simple proposal that would keep china and Tibet both happy way back in 1989...Everytime CCP delibrately delayed and ignored stating different conditions, insulting, abusing and accusing HHDL!!!!!

Whether you like it or not, CCP can't ignore HHDL. They will fail in their effort to change Tibetans( in and outside Tibet) mind about HHDL with force or with fantasy. And I too think that only with HHDL's involvement can CCP wash off with the headache of Tibet issue and other minorities...

Once HHDL dies, I don't now...CCP's and your false allegation about TYC being a terrorist organization more dreadful than Bin Laden- al-qieda will come true. or CCP will force TYC to take to armed stuggles...not only TYC ..we can't predict how many violent groups will emerge as a result..and not only from Tibet..but also from Inner Mongolia, East Turkisthan, Kazakisthan, Uzbekisthan.... etc...
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Dear Kushh,
I just found that it seems that you are a Tibetan. So, you are actually a Chinese, accept it or not, if you really follow your "HHDL", who claims that he doesn't want Tibet seperate from China. So you are actually an overseas Chinese.

I studied and lived in London for 5 years and for 1 year in South Australia and I also have quite some friends living in the Bay Area as well. Some of my friends, who are also overseas Chinese, joined the protests. They told me their expereinces with passion. Your claim that "CCP has paid USD350/- each to overseas chinese to protest in San Fr, Canberra, Nz etc to mention a few" is totally wrong. Our love of China is no less genuin than your love of your "HHDL".

China is not a place without problems. But the progress people have made here, economically and democratically, is historical. Chinese students and intellectuals have kept asking CCP to speed up political reform, but they support the government's determination to protect the unity of the country.

No country recognizes Tibet as an independent state. I don't think there will be. As you and your "HHDL" has dropped the argument many years ago, then both of you are still Chinese, or Chinese dissidents. You may hate CCP, but please show some respect and love to your country and don't forget to use upper case for the C when you write the name of your mother country.

Qiulin said:

Dear Kushh, I just found that it seems that you are a Tibetan. So, you are actually a Chinese, accept it or not, if you really follow your "HHDL", who claims that he doesn't want Tibet seperate from China. So you are actually an overseas Chinese.

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it is correct to say that all 56 nationalities born in china are chinese.
they are chin-ese as they belong in the geopolitical entity called chi-na.

and those born overseas are called "overseas chinese", simply because they have the same counterpart nationality in china.

at this point, we have make a distinction between "chinese citizens living outside of china" and "non-citizens of chinese descent."

citizenship is an identication given by the national governing body confirming such and such a person is resident of this nation.

citizenship is NOT based on ethnicity.
as such, there are millions of "han chinese" living overseas.
and though they are proud of their chinese culture, they are NOT citizens of china.

similarly, if kushh was born overseas, then he is a non-citizen of china. therefore, if he so wishes, he can call himself a tibetan (a non-chinese) because he is outside the scope of the PR China.

in fact, he is like a foreigner who is antagonistic towards china.
tibetans who are citizens of china are already living in tibet.

What a complex definition to simply call a Tibetan just Tibetan.

Neither the sugar coated speech nor the political might can change the Tibetaness in Tibetans.

there is no need to change the tibetaness of tibetans.

in fact, the tibetaness of tibet is encouraged, and is being preserved in tibet by none other than tibetans who are chinese citizens.

Kushh, i really dont want to offend u, but i really advise you spare some time to study the history of tibet and take a journey to china, to tibet.. using your own eyes to find out the truth china and tibet...