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sadly, a nation's road to progress is filled with people who are neglected and left behind.

in such a situation, there is no overall security blanket that will ensure over a billion people gets the individual attention they need.

so things happen on the road to development.

but, if things are really so rotten as some people attempt to portray, there won't be thousands and thousands of chinese students worldwide, supporting the olympics and protecting the flame.

the coming generation, with pride in china, and greater sensibility, will bring greater changes. changes takes time, and this time, time is on the side of china.

I really sympathize what what Mr. Shao Jiang had suffered after the 1989 protest. Still, I have to point out that something he tell in his article are not truth.

Mr. Shao Jiang said: “It has never been easy for people to speak out about issues like political freedom, the death penalty, HIV/AIDS, land grabs, or the environment – I know this from personal experience – but if anything, things are getting worse."
Though I agree people are not allow to speake about these issues to some dgree, people now DO can speak these issues openly, as long as you do not iuse these to advocate to overthrow the government. For example, a resident in Chongqing city in Southwest China does not agree the real eatate company to grab her land and her house stand as a lonely island in a big construction pit for three years and her case a widely reported by almost all the major medias in China and is widely discussed in internet chat rooms and discuss boars. (see this video: http://news.sina.com.cn/c/l/bn/2007-03-22/09073815.shtml). Another example is from my own experience. I took my graduate couse in Peking University from 1999-2002. In many of my classes the professors criticized the law system, the constitution, the election system, etc. One professor even said the communist system is "the source of all evils" in the class. He still teaches in the university. And HIV/AIDS these days are very serious treated by the government as while as the society, though I agree this happens most after when the new generation of the goverment took office in 2003.

I also do not agree that Mr. Shao Jiang called the Tebit protest in March a peacefull one. During the unrest in Lahsa, seven schools, five hospitals and more than 120 homes were set fire. Many shops were looted and set fire. You don't expected it is the police who did all these. And if all these were done by the protesters, you can't call the protest a pieceful one. Further more, 22 people were killed by the roiters. Among them 10 were burnt alive to death, including a Tibeten shop salesgirl. I don't know if it is allowed to throw bottled water in London during a protest, but I think anyone throw stones must be regarded as violent and will be arrested by the police there, let alone looting and killing. As for the "wanted lists", I think the Chinese government has done what any reponsible government will have done after such a deadly riot.

I agree that China still have a lot to do on human rights. Meanwhile, as a law graduates I saw a lot of progress had been achieved in the legal system with the effert of people in the legislation system, by law makers, lawyers, scholars, and with the help of medias and ordinary Chinese people. And I see the eprogress are getting faster. And I also find the ordinary Chinese are having more freedom in travelling within China or going abroad, accessing froeign informations( the calls for boycutting CNN and BBC these days by some young people support my view from another easpect that people can watch CNN, BBC here), and express their ideas in the public or on internet.

I think China is going toward the right direction. 2008 is the 30th
anniversary of the reform and open to the outside policy and the Chinese people enjoyed economic prosporous and more political freedom during this period of time. You can't expect such a successful policy which benifits and gets support from most of the people be reversed. With the country's market economy becoming a more western one, with the growing of a middle class, China will surely do better on the reforming of its political system and on the improving of human rights. What the west can be of help is to be patient, act like a friend, give more support, and less comdemn.

tongsampah said: .

"but, if things are really so rotten as some people attempt to portray, there won't be thousands and thousands of chinese students worldwide, supporting the olympics and protecting the flame."


They are all either guided to visit anticnn.com......a warehouse of truth distorion. or were paid USD: 350 for just being there and a few more if they beat pro-Tibet Protestors next to them..

CCP should understand the nation's glory doesn't lie in just a torch....it should be in the hearts of people,!!!

And maybe you should understand that monstering the chinese nogovermental organizations by telling we're just funded by the party, only can robotic talking like nobrain-idiots, and have no basic independent judging ability will hurt deeply the hearts of ours!!!

and it will hurt your own reliability， and no any constructive contribution. It's make our equally debating of days meaningless.
And make my effort to prepare the article(which I still try hard to show you and about to finish yet) meaningless.

kushh said:
They are all either guided to visit anticnn.com......a warehouse of truth distorion. or were paid USD: 350 for just being there and a few more if they beat pro-Tibet Protestors next to them..

CCP should understand the nation's glory doesn't lie in just a torch....it should be in the hearts of people,!!!

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even if USD350 were given to students, it is not a matter of great concern, because this is not election bribery.
it is not money paid to buy votes.

In fact, if such a case were true, then i would applaud the chinese government for REIMBURSING the students for their troubles and their expenses incurred to speak up the motherland. i would say, at least they showed concern.

as mentioned, it is not a bribe to win votes, but to make this olympics a success for the chinese people.
one must make a distinction of the actions, based on the circumstances, and not be attached to a narrow interpretation of things.

the chinese people are proud of the nation, and have always been, notwithstanding the party that holds power in beijing.

this beijing olympic is not limited to the ccp.
it is currently the pride of the chinese nation.
perhaps some people do not realize that sabotaging the olympics has gone beyond hurting the ccp.
sabotaging the olympics means to hurt chinese pride.

the beijing olympics is not a just ccp effort, but an effort by the chinese nation.

therefore, the patriotic chinese people will support the olympics in their hearts. you can bet on that.

tongsampah wrote:

"the beijing olympics is not a just ccp effort, but an effort by the chinese nation."

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correcting a typo:

"the beijing olympics is not just a ccp effort, but an effort by the chinese nation."

eguda said: "And maybe you should understand that monstering the chinese nogovermental organizations by telling we're just funded by the party, only can robotic talking like nobrain-idiots, and have no basic independent judging ability will hurt deeply the hearts of ours!!!"
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I will not debate much on the idioticity any more here. But one think became clear to me that truth hits very hard. And those who tells about your truth are either idiots or...............I understand why CCP and you poeple hate and insult HHDL while the whole world look at him as an epitome of peace.

"eguda said: and it will hurt your own reliability� and no any constructive contribution. It's make our equally debating of days meaningless.
And make my effort to prepare the article(which I still try hard to show you and about to finish yet) meaningless."
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What is there to debate when eveybody disregard the naked truth. What is the meaning of the debate when everytime distorted, deceitful and fake things are piling up on the internet dailly.

Enough now.